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December 13th, 2007

Wolfhardt's picture

Oh Fundie

The cluelessness of fundies question would be hilarious if I hadn´t met people like him in real life

sister_dark's picture

Sad

Sadly true...

.:'In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen. Not Dark but beautiful and as terrible as the Dawn. Trecherous as the sea, stronger than the foundations of the Earth. All shall love me and despair!:.

liliana's picture

yes unfortunately . . .

i am RELATED to people like him.

-->He is YOUR god, they are YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!<--

Laina's picture

Yeah...

I had a teacher like Fundie once. The woman literally had a prayer closet she'd dreag people in to. I guess that's the price of living in the south...

No day but today.

Nyx's picture

Hey...

At least he asked... baby steps, fundie... baby steps...

zoe.nadja's picture

Agreed!

Good point, dear, good point.

thalinar's picture

he did ask but he had no

he did ask but he had no idea what he was asking

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amadeus_rex's picture

Related to that?

As Nyx pointed out, at least he ASKED. I'm related to, was raised by, and grew up around people who would not ask, they'd just condem. Heck, if it was 300 yrs ago, they would not only condem, they would hang, burn at the stake, draw and quarter, and then (of course) "SMOTE!" the remains just for good measure. If they could figure out a way to get away with it today, some might still try all that. Let's just say this about the church my family attends (those who go to church), I always joke that when they want to lighten up on the hellfire and brimstone talk for a week, they attend a Southern Baptist Revival. That should give you a little perspective.

BTW, I love what the free thought (aka atheist) group in.... I think it's out in Colorado.... anyway, I love what they did at the town holiday display. The area in front of the courthouse is, as I understand it, a free speach zone. There is a Christmas display and a Hanukkah display, so they added their own display. They call it the tree of thought. They took an evergreen tree (because no one religion can claim it as it's own) and decorated it with book covers, including the Koran and the Bible. And there are christians outraged. I applaud them, they didn't go overboard and, by including religious books in the whole free thought concept, they gave the radical elements of other religions enough rope to hang themselves. I'm not one for downing others' religions just because, but when they act in a way that is blatently stupid and laking common sense, they deserve to have it pointed out. So again, at least Fundie asked.

Oh gods, I've went and written another book, haven't I? I am so long winded (and I can only type around 20 words a minute w/o mistakes).

Amadeus_rex

FORTE EST VINUM, FORTIOR EST REX, FORTIORES SUNT MULIERES: SUPER OMNIA VINCIT VERITAS.
"Wine is strong, a King is stronger, women are stronger still: but truth conquers all"

scorpioeternal's picture

The Greate Debate

I argued with my mom about the origins of Christian practices around Christmas and Easter. Didn't even want to start in about Halloween. She argued and railed against every sentence.
When I told my devoted-Catholic grandfather, he listened. Not sure if he believed me, but at least he listened quietly, without arguing a word.
I sometimes wonder who is to blame for the ignorance to the origins of the Christian faith. Is it the church itself, or the people, who allowed the church to pull the wool over the flock's eyes?

crazycandace's picture

If Only

if only fundie would pick up a useful book, but alas it will never happen. on the bight side he did ask which is SHOCKING.

NoRSeMaN's picture

e did pick up a book though

it just happened to be what is a large mistranslation of the bible, which is taken way warped by fundies

Rider of the North,

Josh

TheGoddessD's picture

Explain...

I always explain my little heart out to people who actually don't realize that Pagans are the reason there is a Christmas....Easter....any major Christian holiday...because I'm mean like that. ^_^

Henry Dorsett Case's picture

*snicker*

Really, now? At best you have a timing based on the solstice - more likely based on the Feast of the Assumption and a bit of Judaic birthday superstition - and a "Pagan Goddess" who was the brainchild of a Christian MONK guessing about why Eostre-monath was named such.

Pagan fundies are just as annoying as Christian fundies. Both sides are so uninformed or misinformed and so adamant!

zen-lida's picture

Geez, everybody!

Lighten up, will ya? This is why debates are devilving into fights so often these days, people just take their subjects too seriously. Last time I checked, this time of year (Christmas, Yuletide, Eid, Chanuka, whichever you wish to call it) was a time when people came together and enjoyed the fruits of their labor during the past year. I mean, that's what the Pagan holiday was originally celebrated for, anyways.

Drink some hot chocolate, it'll make you feel better :)

~~Behind every successful man is a woman rolling her eyes~~

CricketSlayer's picture

Sad ... =/

I think the saddest thing is how few people, like, just your average schmuck on the street, would actually understand this strip. I think most people would still be waiting for the punchline, wondering to themselves, "What DOES Paganism have to do with Christmas?" =/

KrikitHaiku's picture

What I think is hillarious...

Is the couple of Christian churches out there who have for a very long time refused to celebrate Christmas because they know about the Pagan elements used in Christmas, and they know that Dec. 25th isn't really Jesus' birthday. But these churches rarely get any recognition by their fellow Christians, and I don't know why. If a few groups of Christians out there can understand where Christmas comes from, maybe there IS hope for the rest after all.

Grifo's picture

hehe

Yea, but Mormons and Witnesses aren't looked upon kindly by many people.
The only thing that I don't understand is why it matters. the word "Gay" for example, USED to mean very happy or joyful. Now it's changed. It's not roots that matter for people it's how they are used now. bread mold for medicine and bloodletting for feavers sort of thing. We need to keep in mind that the Winners write the history books and the present will liberally (in the sense of quantity not politics) modify the past. Dec 25th isn't yule any way. Let the christians have their mythology as long as they let us have ours. let's be "wonderfully tollerant" too :)

Iceking's picture

Why does everyone think Mormons don't celebrate Christmas?

I was a Mormon before I came out of the closet and decided that Christianity in general wasn't for me and Mormons do celebrate Christmas. We had a Christmas dinner at the church every year (cooked by the men for the women) and, although I've never been there, I've heard that Temple Square in Salt Lake City is quite a breathtaking site during the holiday season. Yes, Mormons are aware that Dec 25th is not the day Jesus was born, they actually believe it was in early April, but they don't care. They celebrate anyway because it promotes family time which is a huge priority for them. They also celebrate Easter and Halloween because both are opportunities to spend that much more time with their kids, although some do skip Halloween if it falls on a Sunday. They know these days are basically re-formatted Pagan celebrations, but if it means one more opportunity to spend time with family and loved ones they're all for it.

Loki_made_me_do_it's picture

Some don't...

Some of my family members are Mormon and they don't celibrate any holidays at all, not even birthdays. This might just be a thing they do I don't know but that's why people get these ideas. Of course just because one portion of a group does something isn't an indication that they all will.

heathinn's picture

Baby Killers?

Speaking of Colorado, wasn't it a good christian boy who had at one time been studiying to be a missionary who decided to redecorate the New Life church in blood red and bullet holes. It wasn't a pagan, it wasn't a "religious extemist," it was a kid who the church had not allowed to stay the night. "Merry Christmas everybody?" I personally think that if you want to find the modern meaning of Yule, you need look noi further than your wallet. It should be about the returning of Sunna. I would even accept their misguided Christmas if it was about faith; however, it is now mostly about commercialism. The new symbol of this time of year is "the rune of wrath and destruction" (the Wal-Mart logo).
“Cattle die and kinsmen die,
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die, --
fair fame of one who has earned.”

-Havamal, Verse 76-

Aesairas's picture

All this discussion reminded me of one of my bosses

Every time around Halloween and Christmas my very Catholic boss asks me if Pagans do anything around that time of year. When I explain yes we have Samhein and Yule, he then asks me to describe what we do. Samhein he doesn't get upset about, but when I tell him that I decorate a Yule tree, give gifts to friends, hang up mistletoe, and burn a Yule log he starts getting really aggravated with me, One time he even shouted at me to shut up. Every year though he asks the same questions. I've gotten to the point that I tell him to stop asking because he doesn't really want to know. Though this seems to offend him too, but not as severely. So I
go with the best of the two choices and offend him a little.
Lets just give you a scenario about a scene with my boss that actually happened so you kinda understand what I mean.

Me: *Sneeze*
Boss: Bless you
Me: Thank you
Boss: Wait..sorry..what do Pagan's say?
Me: We say bless you
Boss: No really
Me with confused look: That is what I say when someone sneezes, bless you.

Boss with small cynical laugh: Oh but only God can bless you so you must say something else

Me: Sir in what I believe both the Gods and the Goddesses bless us as well

Boss while stomping off my podium in a huff: No only God can. Im going to take a walk

Me with a sigh and giving up: Okay

Eh oh well life goes on and lately they have been doing me a great favor by not having him as my suit lately ha ha :)

Willow's picture

awww

That really sucks. But at least he **seems**(can't really tell a person's tone through type) to start off curious. Who knows maybe eventually he'll come around and start accepting your answers (by accepting i just mean not getting all huffy lol). And go Fundie for asking whoot. lol I've actually been in this situation before, although not with a fundie just some curious people. I feel so happy when people ask me questions. And yeah, fundies from any religion are annoying. They can be really closed-minded. I can be a little closed-minded too sometimes but I'm working on it at least (I know some people who will never bother)...Anyways I've talked too long lol

Blessed be,

Willow

Aesairas's picture

He is...at first

Yes he is curious at first but it seems like he's waiting to prove me wrong. Ha ha just to be fair to him I talked to him about his religion,he told me he has never read the bible but he knows what it says and doesn't say, ha ha I dropped that conversation so fast I think it left a burn mark in my podium. Back when I was a Christian, I knew that book front to back, actually its what turned me away from that path. I love my spiritual path now though I don't feel like there are things I can't agree with. I just feel happy and pure now that I'm Pagan. Ha ha its wonderful to find the right path for yourself and everyone has there own paths like they have their own taste in foods. Its a glorious thing. :)

sister_dark's picture

Oh well

We might as well laugh cos there is nothiong we can do about it...

I wish peanuts could talk....

Jack-Riker's picture

Similar Situation

We have a similar situation going on in a nearby city. The city Common council gave permission for someone to place a pentacle next to the manger scene in front of city hall. Much to similar results actually but no one has run Stan's pentacle over yet, although Fundie probably would, If he could drive lol

The only thing i was ever truly good at was fighting...But at least I always fought for what i believed in.

SymphonicDissonance's picture

I am christian, here me.....be tolerant?!

I am a christian, and I have to say that I do not celebrate christmas for the birth of jesus, since he was born in spring. I think of it more along the lines of a kind of yule, where people get together to enjoy each other's company and exchange gifts of good will. I plan on being a pastor in a non-denominational church some time in the future. however, I am only gonna use the bible as a guideline instead of the final word. I refuse to believe that words written down by man could possibly be the final law of the lord. after all, if we have to follow it exactly, then there are going to be very few people in Heaven, as many have eaten pork, shell fish, any meat on friday, just to mention a few. just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents :D
Julianne and Romulo are my bishes!

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